Legislature(2021 - 2022)DAVIS 106

04/27/2021 11:30 AM House WAYS & MEANS

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11:36:56 AM Overview: the Need for a Fiscal Plan & the Cost of Inaction by Business & Community Members
12:25:26 PM Presentation: State Budget Decisions & Impact to Local Governments
01:20:38 PM Adjourn
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
           HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON WAYS AND MEANS                                                                          
                         April 27, 2021                                                                                         
                           11:35 a.m.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Ivy Spohnholz, Chair                                                                                             
Representative Adam Wool, Vice Chair                                                                                            
Representative Andy Josephson                                                                                                   
Representative Calvin Schrage                                                                                                   
Representative Andi Story                                                                                                       
Representative Mike Prax                                                                                                        
Representative David Eastman                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
All members present                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
OVERVIEW:  THE NEED FOR A FISCAL PLAN & THE COST OF INACTION BY                                                                 
BUSINESS & COMMUNITY MEMBERS                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION:  STATE BUDGET DECISIONS & IMPACT TO LOCAL                                                                         
GOVERNMENTS                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BILL POPP                                                                                                                       
Anchorage Economic Development Corporation                                                                                      
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on the need for a fiscal plan and                                                              
the cost of inaction.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL MARTIN, President                                                                                                       
Alaska Bankers Association                                                                                                      
CEO, Northrim Bank Alaska                                                                                                       
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on the  need for a fiscal plan and                                                             
the cost of inaction.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CRAIG DAHL, Executive Director                                                                                                  
Greater Juneau Chamber of Commerce                                                                                              
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on the  need for a fiscal plan and                                                             
the cost of inaction.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
QUINN TOWNSEND                                                                                                                  
Alaska Quality Forum                                                                                                            
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on the  need for a fiscal plan and                                                             
the cost of inaction.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
WILL WEBB                                                                                                                       
Alaska Professional Design Council                                                                                              
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:    Co-provided  a  PowerPoint  presentation,                                                             
titled "The Need  for a Sustainable Operating  & Capital Budget,"                                                               
dated 4/27/21.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
DAVID GAMEZ                                                                                                                     
Alaska Professional Design Council                                                                                              
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:    Co-provided  a  PowerPoint  presentation,                                                             
titled "The Need  for a Sustainable Operating  & Capital Budget,"                                                               
dated 4/27/21.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
NILS ANDREASSEN                                                                                                                 
Alaska Municipal League                                                                                                         
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:   Provided a PowerPoint  presentation, titled                                                             
"Impacts  of   State  Decisions  on  Local   Governments,"  dated                                                               
4/27/21.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
11:35:22 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR IVY  SPOHNHOLZ called the  House Special Committee  on Ways                                                             
and  Means  meeting  to  order at  11:35  a.m.    Representatives                                                               
Schrage, Story, and Spohnholz were  present at the call to order.                                                               
Representatives  Eastman, Prax,  Wool, and  Josephson arrived  as                                                               
the meeting was in progress.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
^OVERVIEW:  The Need for a Fiscal Plan & the Cost of Inaction by                                                                
Business & Community Members                                                                                                    
OVERVIEW:  The Need for a Fiscal Plan & the Cost of Inaction by                                                             
                  Business & Community Members                                                                              
                                                                                                                              
11:36:56 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SPOHNHOLZ announced that the first order of business would                                                                
be an overview by business and community members on the need for                                                                
a fiscal plan and the cost of inaction.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
11:37:04 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
BILL POPP, Anchorage Economic Development Corporation, (AEDC),                                                                  
read the following position paper on behalf of AEDC's Board of                                                                  
Directors [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     The  Anchorage Economic  Development  Corporation is  a                                                                    
     leader   in  economic   development  for   Southcentral                                                                    
     Alaska.   With  more  than 220  member companies,  AEDC                                                                    
     represents  top businesses  in  every  industry in  the                                                                    
     state, as  well as  some of Alaska's  largest employers                                                                    
     since  1987.   Since  2015, AEDC  has  advocated for  a                                                                    
     balanced  approach  to  addressing  the  fiscal  policy                                                                    
     crisis  that has  limited our  state's ability  to grow                                                                    
     its  economy  and  communities.    We  have  encouraged                                                                    
     responsible  spending,   new  broad-based   sources  of                                                                    
     revenue,  and sustainable  management of  the permanent                                                                    
     fund,  and despite  six years  of recession,  the state                                                                    
     has yet to develop  a comprehensive, long-term strategy                                                                    
     to address Alaska's ongoing  fiscal uncertainty and has                                                                    
     nearly  depleted  Alaska's  Constitutional  Budget  and                                                                    
     Earnings Reserves.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     The  COVID-19  pandemic   has  further  threatened  the                                                                    
     economic well-being of  our communities and businesses.                                                                    
     Following  a  recent  months-long effort  by  the  AEDC                                                                    
     board and membership to  evaluate additional options to                                                                    
     resolve the crisis facing our  state, the AEDC Board of                                                                    
     Directors today recommends  the following strategies as                                                                    
     key components  of a solution  for the  state's ongoing                                                                    
     fiscal  policy  crisis:  limited targeted  budget  cuts                                                                    
     while  maintaining and  improving the  central programs                                                                    
     and  services;  a  statewide sales  tax  that  protects                                                                    
     municipal  sales tax  collections  and contributes  new                                                                    
     revenues  to   the  state  treasury;  and   adopting  a                                                                    
     constitutional  amendment  incorporating a  percent  of                                                                    
     market   value   (POMV)   strategy   into   the   state                                                                    
     constitution to protect the  permanent fund for current                                                                    
     and future generations.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     The AEDC Board of Directors  believes there needs to be                                                                    
     a  sense  of  urgency in  addressing  Alaska's  ongoing                                                                    
     fiscal crisis.  We can no  longer kick the can down the                                                                    
     road,  and  we  cannot  view  federal  pandemic  relief                                                                    
     funding  as a  solution  to the  state budget  deficit.                                                                    
     AEDC  recognizes  that  a comprehensive  solution  will                                                                    
     require several  elements, including  identification of                                                                    
     stable  revenue  sources,  disciplined  budgeting,  and                                                                    
     measured spending.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     The   2021  AEDC   Business  Confidence   Survey  (BCI)                                                                    
     represents the views of 210  Anchorage businesses.  The                                                                    
     survey  identifies  common  themes  in  alignment  with                                                                    
     views held by the AEDC  Board of Directors.  When asked                                                                    
     what  issues  were  most  important  to  the  Anchorage                                                                    
     economy, 79  percent of the businesses  surveyed ranked                                                                    
     "sustainability  of state  of Alaska  operating budget"                                                                    
     as  most  important.   Other  key  takeaways  from  the                                                                    
     report  are  as  follows:  73  percent  of  respondents                                                                    
     support  reductions to  state spending;  70 percent  of                                                                    
     respondents support  a statewide sales tax;  74 percent                                                                    
     of  respondents support  a reduction  of the  permanent                                                                    
     fund dividend payout.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
11:40:47 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     While supportive of measured  and targeted budget cuts,                                                                    
     the  AEDC board  also  recognizes the  need to  deliver                                                                    
     critical state and  local services.  We  cannot cut our                                                                    
     way  out  of the  state's  fiscal  crisis.   Affordable                                                                    
     healthcare,  housing, community  safety, and  workforce                                                                    
     development are key elements  to a sustainable, vibrant                                                                    
     economy.   Investments in quality education  from pre-K                                                                    
     to the University of Alaska  not only prepare and train                                                                    
     our  future   workforce,  they're  also   essential  to                                                                    
     attracting  vistal  business investment  and  fostering                                                                    
     thriving  communities.    State support  of  healthcare                                                                    
     services  improves  our  wellbeing, while  funding  our                                                                    
     social welfare  programs addresses challenges  faced by                                                                    
     our most vulnerable citizens.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Current  state  spending  is  already  insufficient  to                                                                    
     support many  of these  essential services,  and future                                                                    
     cuts  should be  done with  great care  and moderation.                                                                    
     If we  are to take  steps towards fiscal  stability, we                                                                    
     must consider  new and sustainable sources  of revenue.                                                                    
     A statewide sales tax is  the best option and should be                                                                    
     designed in  a less  regressive manner  with exemptions                                                                    
     on essential  items and  services, such  as nonprepared                                                                    
     foods, housing, and medical care,  at priority given to                                                                    
     local communities  to levy a  sales tax.   The addition                                                                    
     of  a statewide  sales  tax would  provide  a level  of                                                                    
     predictability  to  the  state budgeting  process,  and                                                                    
     Alaska  would  remain  well below  national  state  tax                                                                    
     burden averages.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     A  comprehensive   fiscal  strategy  for   Alaska  must                                                                    
     include consideration  of the permanent fund,  which is                                                                    
     a  critical component  of  the  state's overall  fiscal                                                                    
     health.   Alaska's transition from  a state  reliant on                                                                    
     oil revenues to  a state reliant on  the permanent fund                                                                    
     for  more   than  70  percent  of   unrestricted  state                                                                    
     revenues.    While  the  current   POMV  opted  by  the                                                                    
     legislature in  2018 promotes  long-term sustainability                                                                    
     of  the permanent  fund, future  changes in  leadership                                                                    
     threaten the  long-term fiscal discipline  necessary to                                                                    
     provide lasting  protection of the fund  for all future                                                                    
     generations of Alaskans.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     The  AEDC Board  of Directors  supports placing  before                                                                    
     the  voters an  amendment  creating a  constitutionally                                                                    
     protected  POMV to  ensure protection  of  the fund  in                                                                    
     perpetuity  and encourages  the legislature  to act  in                                                                    
     time to get the issue on  the 2022 ballot.  In closing,                                                                    
     our state has suffered  through fiscal instability long                                                                    
     enough.    The  AEDC  Board  supports  a  comprehensive                                                                    
     strategy to end this fiscal  crisis and asks for action                                                                    
     to be taken now.   Alaskans deserve economic stability,                                                                    
     investment  in  our  state  and  local  economies,  and                                                                    
     continuity  of disciplined  spending to  put Alaska  on                                                                    
     the  path to  sustained  growth and  prosperity.   AEDC                                                                    
     stands ready  to collaborate  with the  legislature and                                                                    
     be an active  participant in this process.   We welcome                                                                    
     the opportunity  to support these  recommendations with                                                                    
     our   organization's    perspective,   expertise,   and                                                                    
     leadership.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. POPP stated that AEDC's  position on policy speaks volumes in                                                               
terms of the board's desire  for specificity in deeds and actions                                                               
by  the  legislature  and the  administration  to  bring  forward                                                               
solutions to  the current instability  in the state's  economy in                                                               
addition to the instability created by COVID-19.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
11:45:05 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRAX  asked whether AEDC had  modeled its specific                                                               
tax proposal.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. POPP answered no.  He said  AEDC looked at the potential of a                                                               
sales tax  in terms of the  gross values it could  generate based                                                               
on certain  percentages.  He  believed a  sales tax was  a needed                                                               
part of the  solution.  The regressive nature of  sales tax was a                                                               
concern of  the members  of the  working group  and the  Board of                                                               
Directors, he said.  He added  that as AEDC developed this policy                                                               
position, they  recognized that  "the devil  is in  the details,"                                                               
and that  there would need to  be a collaborative effort  to make                                                               
sure  exemptions  were aligned  with  municipal  exemptions.   He                                                               
acknowledged that it's a complex  issue; nonetheless, he believed                                                               
it's a  solvable problem and  a key component towards  an overall                                                               
solution to the statewide fiscal crisis.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
11:46:46 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRAX  asked  whether   AEDC  had  considered  how                                                               
productivity  could  be increased  in  the  private sector.    He                                                               
believed  that the  gross  state product  needed  to increase  to                                                               
replace the  declining oil  revenue.   Further, he  asked whether                                                               
AEDC  had  looked at  ways  to  make  Alaska more  attractive  to                                                               
investors.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  POPP  confirmed  that  the  subject  had  been  a  topic  of                                                               
discussion  for   years.    He   explained  that  Alaska   was  a                                                               
noncompetitive state,  meaning that Alaska  did not compete  on a                                                               
national scale  for investment.   He pointed out that  in Alaska,                                                               
the high cost  of doing business was mostly due  to the geography                                                               
and the  environment in addition  to the lack of  reinvestment in                                                               
the  state.    He  indicated  that  Alaska  was  not  focused  on                                                               
attracting a new  workforce, which was necessary for  a vital and                                                               
growing  economy; further,  the issues  pertaining to  quality of                                                               
life were challenging.   He cited examples in  Anchorage, such as                                                               
housing, community  setting, walkability,  public transportation,                                                               
a  vital downtown,  and  a vibrant  university  district, all  of                                                               
which  could be  improved  upon to  attract  a critically  needed                                                               
workforce  and the  investment that  chases that  workforce.   He                                                               
reported that  a recent corporate  survey of decision  makers who                                                               
make decisions  within hundreds of companies  throughout the U.S.                                                               
on  where   to  invest,  found  that   "availability  of  skilled                                                               
workforce" was the  number one concern; "quality  of life issues"                                                               
was the fourth  highest concern, as workforce  was gravitating to                                                               
communities that offered  a high quality of life.   He noted that                                                               
Alaska had been experiencing a net  outflow of people in the past                                                               
several years.   Last year,  Anchorage alone lost  3,500 citizens                                                               
in the last  reporting.  He opined that the  state appeared to be                                                               
"asleep at  the wheel"  in terms  of a  willingness to  solve its                                                               
fiscal  problems  and  become  more   competitive  to  attract  a                                                               
workforce with which investment would follow.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
11:50:46 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SCHRAGE recounted hearing  in conversation that if                                                               
a  tax were  instituted, people  and businesses  would bear  that                                                               
burden  and  leave  the  state;  further,  that  generating  more                                                               
revenue would solve Alaska's fiscal  problems.  He asked Mr. Popp                                                               
to address those perceptions from his perspective.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  POPP  explained that  any  good  business needs  revenue  to                                                               
reinvest in the business.  He  said "the magic money tree" theory                                                               
of government and business does  not work anymore, as Alaska does                                                               
not have an  unending well of funds from the  oil industry or the                                                               
federal government.   He noted  that the pandemic  relief funding                                                               
was "one-off dollars," adding that  long-term plans are not built                                                               
on that.   He said AEDC's board recognizes  that communities need                                                               
to be  invested in to  position the  state for greater  growth in                                                               
the  future.   He believed  that  a measured  tax that's  managed                                                               
appropriately would  not be  burdensome to  the community  to the                                                               
point where people  would leave.  He pointed out  that Alaska has                                                               
the lowest tax  burden in the country.  He  acknowledged that the                                                               
state's  tax burden  is  offset  by the  higher  cost of  living;                                                               
nonetheless, growing  and expanding  Alaska's base  of population                                                               
and the economies of scale  associated with that growth would put                                                               
Alaska on the track towards longer-term prosperity.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
11:53:43 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SPOHNHOLZ  questioned why  AEDC advocated  for a  sales tax                                                               
instead of an income tax  given that sales taxes are historically                                                               
considered in the jurisdiction of local communities.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  POPP relayed  that  when  the board  and  the working  group                                                               
considered  various options,  sales  tax seemed  to  be the  most                                                               
balanced  and fair  method  on  a statewide  basis,  as it  would                                                               
capture  revenue from  nonresidents.   He  believed  it would  be                                                               
appropriate to add additional revenues  that provided the benefit                                                               
of  a tax  cut  to  Alaskan citizens,  which  a  sales tax  would                                                               
accomplish.  He  noted that a payroll tax would  achieve the same                                                               
objective;  however,  AEDC's survey  work  had  indicated that  a                                                               
payroll tax  was one of  the least desirable options  amongst its                                                               
membership.   Alternatively, he  explained that  a sales  tax had                                                               
significant  support and  could  be crafted  in  various ways  to                                                               
mitigate  the  regressive  nature,  as  well  as  to  give  first                                                               
priority  to municipalities  for  collection.   Additionally,  he                                                               
believed   it  was   the  most   likely  option   to  pass   [the                                                               
legislature].                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
11:56:12 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  EASTMAN  asked  whether  AEDC  had  assessed  the                                                               
impact of adopting a sales tax.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  POPP said  because the  tax would  be collected  from online                                                               
purchases, it would provide an  equal taxation model for both in-                                                               
state  and   out-of-state  businesses.    He   pointed  out  that                                                               
nationwide,  there  are  numerous  successful  cities  that  have                                                               
benefited  from implementing  significant  sales and  consumption                                                               
taxes while  continuing to see  the volume of businesses  grow on                                                               
an  annual  basis.    For  those  reasons,  he  believed  that  a                                                               
statewide  sales tax  would  be  the best  option  and the  least                                                               
onerous.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN  questioned whether the  economic activity                                                               
in the  private sector would remain  unchanged after implementing                                                               
a sales tax.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. POPP confirmed,  especially if the sales tax  applied to out-                                                               
of-state purchases.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
11:58:09 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN remarked:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     If you have economic  activity occurring in the private                                                                    
     sector  currently,  and  then   you  can  withdraw  the                                                                    
     resources that  provide for that economic  activity and                                                                    
     shift that to  the public sector and then  you can have                                                                    
     increased economic  activity in  the public  sector, it                                                                    
     kind  of   seems  like   you're  double   counting  the                                                                    
     resources that  are being used  to shift  the resources                                                                    
     to  the public  sector.   I'm  just  wondering if  that                                                                    
     makes sense.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. POPP said that did not  make sense from AEDC's point of view.                                                               
He   contended  that   instead  of   "double  accounting,"   AEDC                                                               
recognizes that the  revenue would be reinvested in  the state to                                                               
provide a better quality of  life to make Alaska more competitive                                                               
in workforce  development, education, and to  provide key factors                                                               
that investors are  looking for.  Additionally, a  sales tax that                                                               
would  collect  several  hundred  million  dollars  at  best  was                                                               
fractional within the overall impact  on the broader economy.  He                                                               
emphasized that  it would  not diminish  the overall  economy and                                                               
argued that  if it were  reinvested correctly, the  economy would                                                               
grow.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN  asked whether  a [negative]  impact would                                                               
be felt at a certain level of sales tax.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. POPP said  AEDC had not modeled a threshold  for decline.  He                                                               
speculated  that to  have  a detrimental  effect  on the  broader                                                               
economy, a sales tax would have  to be collecting in the billions                                                               
of dollars.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
12:01:39 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  WOOL  recalled  that  Mr. Popp  had  stated  that                                                               
nonresidents  would contribute  substantially to  the sales  tax.                                                               
He asked  how that  compares to  a payroll or  income tax  on the                                                               
out-of-state workers who  work on the North Slope  and take their                                                               
wages out of state.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. POPP stated  that AEDC had not  completed an apples-to-apples                                                               
comparison between  a sales  tax and  an income  tax in  terms of                                                               
total revenue and how the  out-of-state factor would compare.  He                                                               
explained  that  part  nonresidential  factors  are  fungible  in                                                               
nature,  as a  sales  tax  on the  tourism  industry today  would                                                               
collect next to nothing; however,  several years ago, the revenue                                                               
collected would have been fairly  substantial.  He confirmed that                                                               
an  income tax  would collect  significantly more,  but the  AEDC                                                               
board  believed  that  an  income   tax  would  be  "implausible"                                                               
politically.  He reiterated his belief  that a sales tax would be                                                               
a  reasoned first  step  towards a  broader  solution that  would                                                               
ideally include the  POMV proposal, as well as a  careful look at                                                               
future cuts to state spending.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SPOHNHOLZ  noted that over  20 percent of  Alaska's workers                                                               
were nonresidents.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
12:04:53 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL MARTIN, President, Alaska Bankers Association; CEO,                                                                     
Northrim Bank Alaska, read the following prepared remarks                                                                       
[original punctuation provided]:                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     The Alaska  Bankers Association represents  the several                                                                    
     banks  that  have  operations in  Alaska.    Our  banks                                                                    
     safeguard   over  14   billion   dollars  in   combined                                                                    
     deposits,  employ  more  than 2,200  essential  workers                                                                    
     across  the 121  branches statewide,  and make  over 85                                                                    
     percent of  the nonpublic  commercial loans  in Alaska.                                                                    
     Alaska  bankers  are  job creators,  and  we  fuel  the                                                                    
     Alaska  economy by  providing  credit, businesses,  and                                                                    
     families  (indisc.) need  to grow.    Our member  banks                                                                    
     stepped  up during  the pandemic  by lending  over $1.4                                                                    
     billion  through  the  first   round  of  the  Paycheck                                                                    
     Protection  Program  (PPP)  and currently,  during  the                                                                    
     second round of PPP,  we have made approximately 10,000                                                                    
     loans for an additional $700 million dollars.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska  banks  are  committed  to  continue  supporting                                                                    
     communities, businesses, and  individuals to help build                                                                    
     a  prosperous future  for Alaska.   The  Alaska Bankers                                                                    
     Association  and  all  seven  member  banks  have  long                                                                    
     advocated for  a stable, sustainable  budget.   We have                                                                    
     outlined the  actions the  state needs  to take  as the                                                                    
     following: continued  but measured fiscal  reforms over                                                                    
     time;  predictable  tax  laws;  utilization  of  Alaska                                                                    
     Permanent   Fund  earnings   based  on   a  rules-based                                                                    
     framework;  a   meaningful  capital  budget;   and  not                                                                    
     overdrawing  the Earnings  Reserve Account  to preserve                                                                    
     these  assets  for  future   years.    Together,  these                                                                    
     actions will  support a responsible,  balanced, stable,                                                                    
     and sustainable state budget.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska  banks make  financial commitments  for 10,  20,                                                                    
     and  30 years,  and  look to  the  Alaska economy  well                                                                    
     beyond the next election cycle.   We urge you to do the                                                                    
     same.   One  other  point  is that  the  way the  state                                                                    
     spends  revenue  has  important  impacts  and  not  all                                                                    
     spending has  the same  effect on  the economy.   State                                                                    
     funds spent  on dividends through the  operating budget                                                                    
     and capital budget  are not all the same.   I submit to                                                                    
     you that spending through  the capital budget addresses                                                                    
     badly  needed  deferred  maintenance  for  our  state's                                                                    
     assets,  creates jobs,  and  ultimately stimulates  the                                                                    
     economy.  Thank you for  the opportunity to express the                                                                    
     Alaska Bankers Association's views today and thank you                                                                     
     all for your service to the state of Alaska.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
12:08:12 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CRAIG  DAHL,  Executive  Director,   Greater  Juneau  Chamber  of                                                               
Commerce,  noted  that the  Greater  Juneau  Chamber of  Commerce                                                               
represents  over 300  businesses and  organizations and  does its                                                               
best to  watch over  the economic  health of  the community.   He                                                               
stressed the importance of a  sound fiscal plan that's consistent                                                               
and  reliable   to  encourage   outside  investment   and  future                                                               
development.    He  emphasized  the  importance  of  a  fair  and                                                               
consistent   distribution   of   funds  for   capital   projects,                                                               
specifically infrastructure  projects that  create jobs,  as well                                                               
as  consistent  and  reliable funding  mechanisms,  such  as  the                                                               
school  bond debt  reimbursement, which  provides support  to the                                                               
local  municipality.   Further, he  believed there  should be  an                                                               
overriding  concern for  the entire  state, rather  than services                                                               
and  jobs  being taken  away  from  one  community and  given  to                                                               
another without  regard to  the importance  of those  services to                                                               
the local economy.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAHL  indicated that  Juneau  is  heavily reliant  on  state                                                               
government as the foundation of its  local economy.  He said that                                                               
as more state  jobs are moved out of Juneau,  the impact of these                                                               
losses  becomes  more  severe  and  evident.    For  perspective,                                                               
between 2003 and 2019, Juneau  lost nearly 1,000 government jobs,                                                               
he reported.   Nonetheless, the  Hecla Greens Creek  silver mine,                                                               
the Coeur  Kensington gold  mine, and  a growing  cruise industry                                                               
provided the desired diversification.   He recalled that Alaska's                                                               
capital city  was feeling positive  about its future when  it got                                                               
hit  with two-plus  years of  severe budget  cuts from  the state                                                               
that brought along  increased pressure to use  the permanent fund                                                               
to help stabilize the government.   Furthermore, the pandemic hit                                                               
when  the community  was  still reeling  from  the severe  budget                                                               
cuts.   With that, Juneau  lost the  entire 2020 and  2021 cruise                                                               
seasons.   This was devastating  to the local  business community                                                               
and heavily  impacted the City  and Borough of  Juneau's revenue,                                                               
he said.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAHL  continued by  sharing his belief  that it  is essential                                                               
for  outside  investment to  have  the  confidence in  a  stable,                                                               
fiscal policy  in the state  of Alaska if  they are going  to put                                                               
their capital  at risk.   The development of the  state's natural                                                               
resources, he said,  as well as the appropriate use  of state and                                                               
federal funding  for infrastructure  projects, would  create jobs                                                               
and help stabilize and grow the  economy.  He concluded by noting                                                               
that  the chamber  encourages responsible  use  of the  permanent                                                               
fund as  a means to stabilize  state spending.  He  commended the                                                               
legislature   for  its   work   on   these  challenging   issues,                                                               
reiterating that it  was "absolutely essential" for  the state to                                                               
develop and  adhere to a  sound fiscal plan that  would encourage                                                               
private investment to return to Alaska.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
12:13:30 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
QUINN  TOWNSEND, Alaska  Quality Forum,  stated that  even before                                                               
the business  closures, tanked oil prices,  and high unemployment                                                               
in response to the pandemic, Alaska  had a spending problem.  Now                                                               
that the  state is beginning  to see  the effects of  the stalled                                                               
economic activity,  she said, Alaska's  looming fiscal  crisis is                                                               
even larger.   She conveyed that a  functional constitutional cap                                                               
was  one tool  to  avoid the  temptation  of overspending,  which                                                               
would hinder  not help  the state's economy.   She  reported that                                                               
Alaska spent over 20 percent  of its gross domestic product (GDP)                                                               
and personal income  on state government, which  is nearly double                                                               
the average of the highest  economically performing states in the                                                               
country.   In contrast, the highest  performing state governments                                                               
spend  about 11  percent of  the GDP  and personal  income.   She                                                               
relayed that  the highest  performing states  - those  that spend                                                               
less  and  have  lower  taxes -  experience  better  unemployment                                                               
growth,  larger  net   in-migration,  higher  population  growth,                                                               
higher  income growth,  and higher  GDP.   Alternatively,  states                                                               
with  ineffective   limits,  such  as  Alaska,   fair  no  better                                                               
economically   than  states   with  no   spending  limit.     She                                                               
highlighted  the  characteristics  of  successful  constitutional                                                               
spending caps.   She opined  that Alaska would see  much economic                                                               
growth by  implementing a meaningful  sending cap.   She believed                                                               
that a  revised constitutional  spending limit  would be  a first                                                               
step  towards   responsible  budgeting  and  would   encourage  a                                                               
thriving economy to take Alaska into the future.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
12:17:00 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
WILL  WEBB,  Alaska  Professional Design  Council,  informed  the                                                               
committee that  the Alaska Professional Design  Council (APDC) is                                                               
a cooperative effort to advance  the common interests of Alaska's                                                               
design   professionals.      He  noted   that   APDC   represents                                                               
approximately    5,000   people    through   its    nine   member                                                               
organizations,  including architects,  engineers, land  surveyor,                                                               
landscape architects, and interior designers.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
12:17:49 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
DAVID  GAMEZ,  Alaska  Professional Design  Council,  provided  a                                                               
PowerPoint  presentation,  titled  "The Need  for  a  Sustainable                                                               
Operating &  Capital Budget."   He noted  that he was  a licensed                                                               
professional  engineer  and  the  past president  of  the  Alaska                                                               
section of  the American Society  of Civil Engineers (ASCE).   He                                                               
explained that  civil engineers  made it  possible to  have clean                                                               
drinking water and functioning  roads, airports, dams, railroads,                                                               
and  ports.   Additionally,  they were  responsible for  ensuring                                                               
that  schools  and hospitals  were  safe  and structurally  sound                                                               
during catastrophic events,  such as earthquakes.   One of ASCE's                                                               
critical  missions, he  said,  was to  advocate  for the  state's                                                               
infrastructure  needs,  as  failing infrastructure  impacted  the                                                               
economy as well as the safety  of all Alaskans.  Turning to slide                                                               
2, he reported that in 2017,  ASCE released the first report card                                                               
on Alaska's infrastructure, which  was a comprehensive evaluation                                                               
of  9 infrastructure  categories based  on  8 key  criteria.   He                                                               
recalled that over 40 volunteers  came up with a cumulative grade                                                               
of C- for the state's  infrastructure.  A common theme throughout                                                               
the report is  that Alaska's infrastructure was  aging and needed                                                               
repair.   Further, lack of  funding for capital  improvements and                                                               
deferred  maintenance projects  were  the number  one barrier  to                                                               
improving  the  infrastructure.    He  encouraged  the  committee                                                               
members    to     read    the     entire    report     card    at                                                               
www.infrastructurereportcard.org/Alaska.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
12:20:15 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. GAMEZ continued  to slide 4, which read  as follows [original                                                               
punctuation provided]:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     How Can We Raise the Grades?                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
        • Make state and federal funding for improvements a                                                                     
          priority                                                                                                              
        • Better coordinate among state, federal, and                                                                           
          Alaska Native programs                                                                                                
        • Perform system evaluations to identify and assess                                                                     
          risks and incorporate into planning efforts                                                                           
        • Develop and implement innovated technology and                                                                        
          operations                                                                                                            
        • Focus on durable and sustainable system designs                                                                       
          to reduce lifecycle and O&M costs                                                                                     
        • Bridge the gap in O&M funding to allow                                                                                
        communities to maintain existing infrastructure                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
12:21:14 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. WEBB  discussed the  capital budget  on slide  5.   The graph                                                               
featured  Alaska's capital  budget over  the past  20 years.   He                                                               
noted that  APDC recommends  a $2.1 billion  capital budget.   He                                                               
recalled  that for  much  of  the past  two  decades, Alaska  had                                                               
budgeted well  above the recommended amount,  which helped tackle                                                               
that backlog  of needs.   However,  despite past  spending, roofs                                                               
continue to  degrade over time,  roads continue to wear  out, and                                                               
steel   continues  to   corrode.     He   emphasized  that   that                                                               
sustainable,  predictable  funding  mechanisms  would  allow  for                                                               
long-term  items  to  be  systematically   dealt  with,  so  that                                                               
everyone  could  continue  to benefit  from  the  state's  public                                                               
facilities   without  interruption   and   with  fewer   costlier                                                               
emergency repairs.   In addition  to infrastructure,  the state's                                                               
budget  also  affects  the  design  communities,  he  said.    He                                                               
explained that  uncertain budgets  were a hardship  for everyone,                                                               
which is why  APDC supports revenue options that  would provide a                                                               
reasonably predictable level  of support year after  year for the                                                               
state.  He noted that APDC  relies on the state to adopt building                                                               
codes, review  building plans, and  regulate the profession.   He                                                               
added  that  such activities  had  either  slowed or  experienced                                                               
difficulties  as  budgets  have  changed over  the  past  several                                                               
years.  For example, in 2021,  the state still operates with 2012                                                               
building codes,  which is not  ideal for public safety  and makes                                                               
APDC's  work   more  difficult.     Furthermore,  he   said  that                                                               
predictable, consistent state funding is  vital for business.  He                                                               
indicated that  layoffs were  bad for the  public because  it can                                                               
result in  the loss of  technical knowledge; further, it  takes a                                                               
toll  on  the university  when  students  must go  elsewhere  for                                                               
employment opportunities.   He  stated that  the "boom  and bust"                                                               
dynamic is especially  hard on smaller companies  that don't have                                                               
the  excess capacity  to capitalize  on good  times and  lack the                                                               
flexibility  to  handle the  bad  times.    He concluded  that  a                                                               
reasonable  revenue and  spending plan  that could  be maintained                                                               
year  over year  would  provide  a solid  base  for everyone  who                                                               
supports  public facilities.   It  would help  maintain knowledge                                                               
and expertise, and  help the university attract  students who see                                                               
Alaska as a viable, long-term  home.  Additionally, it would help                                                               
ensure that  existing infrastructure was reliable  and useful for                                                               
industry, commerce, and the public (slide 6).                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION:    State  Budget   Decisions  &  Impact  to  Local                                                               
Governments                                                                                                                     
    PRESENTATION:  State Budget Decisions & Impact to Local                                                                 
                          Governments                                                                                       
                                                                                                                              
12:25:26 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SPOHNHOLZ announced that the  final order of business would                                                               
be  a presentation  by Nils  Andreassen, Alaska  Municipal League                                                               
(AML).                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
12:25:51 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
NILS  ANDREASSEN,  AML,  introduced  a  PowerPoint  presentation,                                                               
titled "Impacts  of State  Decisions on  Local Governments."   He                                                               
directed   attention  to   slide  2,   highlighting  that   local                                                               
governments  are  political  subdivisions   of  the  state.    He                                                               
reported  that in  terms  of state  funding,  the combined  total                                                               
revenue from  local governments is between  investment revenue at                                                               
20.8  percent  and  petroleum  revenue   at  19.7  percent.    He                                                               
explained that  revenue from local governments  funds the factors                                                               
discussed   by  Mr.   Popp,   such  as   quality   of  life   and                                                               
infrastructure,   which   helps   attract  and   retain   Alaskan                                                               
residents, families, and workers.   He advanced to slide 3, which                                                               
featured  three data  sets from  a  recent poll  of AML  members:                                                               
financial  status,  federal  relief,  and choices  for  the  next                                                               
fiscal year.  With regard  to financial status, he explained that                                                               
each local government  would be faced with  different choices for                                                               
the  next  fiscal year.    Most,  he  said,  will need  to  think                                                               
conservatively  about  spending;   maintain  adequate  levels  of                                                               
service;  keep flat  spending; and  defer capital  infrastructure                                                               
improvements.  He  added that many local  governments are drawing                                                               
from savings.  He addressed  the second data set, federal relief,                                                               
explaining that it  will provide the ability to make  up for lost                                                               
revenue  replacement and  allow struggling  local governments  to                                                               
provide  some  level  of  economic   support  to  businesses  and                                                               
residents.  He  expressed his hope that for  some, federal relief                                                               
would also result in reinvestments into infrastructure.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
12:29:22 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDREASSEN  discussed local government  revenues on  slide 4,                                                               
noting that  the majority  of such  revenues comes  from property                                                               
tax,  despite it  being the  least  prevalent form  of tax  among                                                               
local governments.   He pointed  out that  there are a  number of                                                               
different  types   of  taxes  available  to   local  governments;                                                               
however, a  net income  tax and the  taxation of  resource rights                                                               
are examples of taxes that are  reserved for the state alone.  He                                                               
advanced   to  slide   5,   which   addressed  local   government                                                               
expenditures.    He  stated that  local  governments  are  making                                                               
reinvestments into  the community  that residents,  families, and                                                               
businesses depend on.  Local  government expenditures are focused                                                               
on public education, public infrastructure  and public safety, in                                                               
addition  to quality  of life.   He  noted that  local government                                                               
expenditures have decreased since  the onslaught of the statewide                                                               
fiscal crisis; therefore, residents  are experiencing a statewide                                                               
reduction  in  the  provision  of  services on  top  of  a  local                                                               
reduction in services, resulting in a compounded level of harm.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
12:32:01 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANREASSEN touched  on  unfunded  mandates on  slide  6.   He                                                               
informed  the  committee  that   most  of  the  state's  unfunded                                                               
mandates  fall  on  school  districts but  also  apply  to  local                                                               
governments.  He  emphasized that requirements of  the state only                                                               
increase costs at  the local level.  He  believed that conducting                                                               
a  thorough  review  of  the  unfunded  mandates  would  increase                                                               
government efficiency  at all levels.   He reviewed FY 20  and FY                                                               
21  vetoes on  slide 7  and highlighted  the drastic  uncertainty                                                               
they caused.   He pointed  out that  many of the  proposed vetoes                                                               
fell  heavily  on  local  government   that  had  already  passed                                                               
budgets, which made it difficult to respond and plan ahead.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
12:34:49 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANREASSEN continued  to slide 8, explaining  that the overall                                                               
implications from state budget  decisions leave local governments                                                               
facing various  scenarios in terms  of how to respond.   Firstly,                                                               
they could  consider increasing or  adding new taxes.   Secondly,                                                               
they  could cut  costs  at  the local  level  by reducing  staff,                                                               
reducing capital  investments and  maintenance, and  reducing the                                                               
provision of services.  He  discussed state programs and specific                                                               
budget decisions that impact local  governments on slide 9, which                                                               
read as follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Leveraging Partnerships                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
       1970 State Revenue Sharing Reimburse for Services                                                                        
     (Police, Roads, Fire, etc)                                                                                                 
       1985 Community Revenue Sharing $140M, or $300M if                                                                        
     adjusted for inflation                                                                                                     
       1997 Safe Communities, focus on public health and                                                                        
     safety                                                                                                                     
     2003 Community Assistance zeroed out                                                                                       
     2009 -$180M fund with $60M distribution                                                                                    
     2016 -$90M fund with $30M distribution                                                                                     
      2020 Vetoed recapitalization results in distribution                                                                      
     $20m, or base                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
12:39:10 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANREASSEN  progressed to slide  10, which  outlined "building                                                               
trust."    He  believed  that trust  between  local  governments,                                                               
political subdivisions, and  the state has been  eroded by broken                                                               
commitments on  the state's behalf.   He highlighted  school bond                                                               
debt  reimbursement   and  port  and  harbor   reimbursements  as                                                               
examples of  commitments that have  been viewed as optional.   He                                                               
shared his  understanding that local governments  are less likely                                                               
to trust the state going forward,  which results in the loss of a                                                               
partnership.   He  discussed  planning for  growth  on slide  11,                                                               
noting that most programs implemented  at the local level are not                                                               
adjusted  for inflation,  which  has resulted  in decreases  over                                                               
time.    He  argued  that  all programs  should  keep  pace  with                                                               
inflation; further,  that growth should be  consistent.  However,                                                               
in reality, growth has not been planned for, he said.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
12:42:05 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANREASSEN  continued to slide  12, "Measuring  what Matters,"                                                               
which  featured  four  different   graphs,  all  indicating  that                                                               
investments into  Alaska Marine Highway System  (AMHS), community                                                               
assistance,  regional jails,  and base  student allocation  (BSA)                                                               
had not kept pace with inflation.   He summarized the contents of                                                               
slide  13,  which  provided  a  list  of  questions  to  consider                                                               
regarding a  spending cap as  well as  the floor.   He encouraged                                                               
the committee  to think about state  expenditure requirements and                                                               
how those fit  into the objectives of state economic  policy.  He                                                               
pointed out that there has  been multiple instances over the past                                                               
several years that highlighted whether  the state could carry out                                                               
its  constitutional  and  statutory   obligations.    He  advised                                                               
reconsidering  the base  line  budget if  the  current one  isn't                                                               
adequate.   Mr. Andreassen turned  to slide 14 and  addressed the                                                               
infrastructure  deficit.    He  indicated  that  there  is  $21.9                                                               
billion in  infrastructure needs and  questioned how to  plan for                                                               
that in terms  of time and resourcing.  He  expressed his concern                                                               
that  Alaska's  capital   infrastructure  needs  lack  consistent                                                               
funding.   Further,  he  pointed  out that  there  is no  central                                                               
clearing  house for  assessing infrastructure  needs, as  many of                                                               
them are siloed across and outside state government.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
12:46:20 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANREASSEN turned to slide  15, which exemplified one piece of                                                               
that  infrastructure  deficit:   school  construction  and  major                                                               
maintenance.   He explained  that funding  for such  projects has                                                               
been inadequate,  noting that on  average, the  legislature funds                                                               
about  8 percent  of  all submitted  projects.   Furthermore,  he                                                               
explained  that school  districts are  required by  the state  to                                                               
submit those projects and have  a capital improvement plan, which                                                               
costs money to develop in a  way that DEED can track effectively.                                                               
He touched  on improving the  state's credit rating on  slide 16,                                                               
which read as follows:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Improving Our Credit Rating                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Local governments carry $2.2B in GO bond debt, and $1B                                                                     
     in revenue bonds                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
       Not a lot of alternative structures in Alaska for                                                                        
     bonding, or pooling bonds                                                                                                  
        • Anchorage, Fairbanks, and Juneau higher than the                                                                      
          State's, but most others rely on bond bank                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Alaska Municipal Bond Bank critical for                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     State's bond rating is directly relevant to the bond                                                                       
     bank's rating                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Downgraded over the last few years, as the State's has                                                                     
     diminished                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Leads to costs higher than they would be otherwise                                                                         
     Affecting refinancing current obligation spread right                                                                      
     now is "narrow" .3-.4% vs 1.5-2%                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Delaying new bond debt because of cost, even with low                                                                      
     rates generally                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
       For illustration -$350 million bond is "just" the                                                                        
           amount needed to fully fund 100% of school                                                                           
     construction and major maintenance grants this year.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDREASSEN  emphasized that implementing a  fiscal plan would                                                               
help  improve  both  state  and  local  government's  ability  to                                                               
address infrastructure.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
12:49:39 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANREASSEN presented  a case  for revenue  on slide  17.   He                                                               
stressed that local governments depend  on a partnership with the                                                               
state but are losing the  trust necessary to fully implement that                                                               
partnership.    He  shared  his  belief  that  state  funding  is                                                               
inadequate to  meet its  obligations and  the needs  of residents                                                               
and businesses.   He opined  that so many of  Alaska's priorities                                                               
have been underfunded,  which makes it impossible  to reinvest in                                                               
economic recovery  and growth.  Further,  the huge infrastructure                                                               
deficit is hindering that same growth,  he argued.  He added that                                                               
any further delay  in addressing the revenue issue  would make it                                                               
increasingly  challenging to  support any  of the  aforementioned                                                               
factors.  He continued to slide  18, which illustrated the tax to                                                               
GDP metric.   He confirmed that Alaska is last  in terms of state                                                               
taxation  relative  to  other states;  alternatively,  Alaska  is                                                               
"middle  of the  road"  regarding  the local  tax  to GDP,  which                                                               
varies from .3 percent to 10  percent.  He noted that a statewide                                                               
tax  would disproportionately  affect some  regions of  the state                                                               
with  a high  tax to  GDP  ratio.   He added  that national  data                                                               
supports a  "tipping point,"  indicating that  ineffective taxing                                                               
of  GDP results  in falling  behind.   Alternatively, effectively                                                               
taxing  GDP leads  to greater  growth, which  is why  high-growth                                                               
countries  have high  levels of  taxation and  make reinvestments                                                               
into  public   health,  education,  welfare,  and   safety.    He                                                               
concluded that  reinvestment has a compounding  effect that would                                                               
help to grow Alaska's economy.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
12:53:20 PM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANREASSEN  discussed how  to grow Alaska's  GDP on  slide 19.                                                               
He reiterated  that state investment into  current programs would                                                               
"pay dividends"  and help to address  the state's seed corn.   He                                                               
further noted that Alaska's GDP  has grown significantly over the                                                               
years.    He  advanced  to  slide  20,  which  highlighted  eight                                                               
different objectives that  would propel the state  to firm fiscal                                                               
footing: fulfill  constitutional debt and  statutory obligations;                                                               
implement a  broad-based tax and  other revenue  measures; ensure                                                               
sustainable  draw  from  the  permanent  fund;  make  appropriate                                                               
changes  to  the  dividend formula;  address  the  infrastructure                                                               
deficit;   leverage  partnerships   to  achieve   goals;  provide                                                               
targeted economic  relief; and adopt  a reasonable  spending cap.                                                               
He believed that a combination  of interests would help the state                                                               
move forward.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:00:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANREASSEN  concluded on slide  22, emphasizing  that Alaska's                                                               
mayors are  committed to  working towards  recovery now  and into                                                               
the future.   The position  from the Alaska Conference  of Mayors                                                               
advocated   for  addressing   the  state's   revenue  shortfalls;                                                               
maximizing  federal  relief;  continuing to  meet  public  health                                                               
needs;  returning  to  active  economic  activity;  collaboration                                                               
between  levels  of  government  to  address  the  infrastructure                                                               
deficit; and addressing lessons learned from the pandemic.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:02:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN asked how much  money is currently on hang                                                               
in the AML investment pool.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANREASSEN  said that  the  AML  investment pool  (AMLIP)  is                                                               
governed by  local governments.   He explained  that it's  a tool                                                               
set  up by  the  legislature  to allow  pooling  of  assets.   He                                                               
reported  that the  current amount  is just  under $500  million,                                                               
which represents  operating dollars that  can earn some  level of                                                               
return at  a time when  local governments need  it the most.   He                                                               
noted that not  all governments participate in  that pool, adding                                                               
that it's similar to a "GFONSI" account at the state level.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SPOHNHOLZ asked for the definition of "GFONSI."                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANREASSEN did  not know what the acronym  stood for; however,                                                               
he  said  it's  "the  state's   operating  account  for  multiple                                                               
accounts."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:03:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN asked how AMLIP accumulates money.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANREASSEN explained  that instead  of putting  money into  a                                                               
savings account, funds  could go into AMLIP  and potentially earn                                                               
a greater  rate of  return.   He indicated  that the  money could                                                               
accumulate  in a  variety  of ways,  such  as allocated  accounts                                                               
based  on  grants for  funding  that  is disbursed  to  different                                                               
programs.   Essentially, he  said it  is a  bank account  used to                                                               
move money  in and out  quickly and effectively while  hoping for                                                               
some level of return.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:04:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE EASTMAN asked how  many Alaskan communities have a                                                               
local version of the Alaska Permanent Fund.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANREASSEN  was unsure.   He  surmised that  local governments                                                               
are doing  a similar  due diligence in  the stewardship  of their                                                               
funds  as the  state does  through its  permanent fund  and other                                                               
investment vehicles.   How local  governments manage  those funds                                                               
and the investments they make are  with the same goals and in the                                                               
public interest, he said.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SPOHNHOLZ  noted that  GFONSI stood  for "General  Fund and                                                               
Other Non-Segregated Investments (GFONSI)."                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:05:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WOOL  asked Mr. Andreassen to  repeat his previous                                                               
statement regarding the taxing of GDP.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.   ANREASSEN    clarified   that   GDP    typically   utilized                                                               
international   data  and   nation-to-nation  comparisons.     He                                                               
reported  that those  [states] with  a  tax-to-GDP ratio  greater                                                               
than 12.5  percent had  greater economic  growth than  those with                                                               
less than 12.5 percent due to  their ability to fund things, like                                                               
education, health, safety, and welfare.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WOOL  pointed out that some  people prioritize the                                                               
PFD  while  others prioritize  the  capital  budget, whereas  AML                                                               
seems  to  prioritize  the  operating   budget.    He  asked  Mr.                                                               
Andreassen to comment on that analysis.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANREASSEN  believed  that  everyone  can  have  a  different                                                               
opinion on  where to  cut and  invest.  He  opined that  with the                                                               
current  level of  state spending,  the greatest  negative impact                                                               
would be further reduction of the state budget.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   WOOL  shared   that  he   found  the   GDP  data                                                               
fascinating, adding  that Alaska  needs to diversify  its economy                                                               
and invest in  capital budgets.  In response to  Ms. Townsend, he                                                               
contended that  the revenue deficit,  not a spending  cap, should                                                               
be the state's main priority.   He pointed out that the state had                                                               
cut its operating  budget by 25 percent over the  past 5 years in                                                               
addition  to  the  capital  budget.   Further,  the  state's  oil                                                               
revenue was at an all-time low.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:12:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOSEPHSON, referring  to  slide 9,  asked what  a                                                               
community  with significant  financial  problems  or a  community                                                               
that  has discontinued  municipal  operations looks  like on  the                                                               
ground.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANREASSEN  clarified that  the table  being referenced  is in                                                               
direct relation  to the  2003 decision  to cut  community revenue                                                               
sharing entirely.   He indicated  that the table  highlighted the                                                               
effects  of that  decision,  which resulted  in  the adoption  or                                                               
increase of a sales tax by  many local governments.  He expounded                                                               
that on the ground, communities  couldn't afford to pay employees                                                               
to staff  the city offices and  were less able to  help the state                                                               
conduct REAA  school board elections  or help  support utilities,                                                               
nor were they in the position  to support a Village Public Safety                                                               
Officer (VPSO).   He said  in some cases,  those responsibilities                                                               
transferred  to a  Tribe;  however,  most responsibilities  would                                                               
have  fallen  back   on  the  state.    He   reiterated  that  as                                                               
communities  become  stressed,  the  cost  to  the  state  likely                                                               
increases in the delivery of  services to a remote community that                                                               
would have otherwise been provided by the local government.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:15:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR SPOHNHOLZ  questioned why an  income tax is  more efficient                                                               
in regard to the tax to GDP metric.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANREASSEN emphasized  that a statewide tax  would affect each                                                               
community  differently.   He believed  that an  income tax  would                                                               
most  effectively  hit  all the  different  sectors  of  Alaska's                                                               
economy and  would not be  exclusionary because it's  outside the                                                               
bounds of local government taxation;  consequently, it would make                                                               
sense that the  state would prioritize the tax  that is exclusive                                                               
to it, he said.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SPOHNHOLZ  asked  what prohibits  local  governments  from                                                               
having an income tax.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANREASSEN  answered state statute.   He offered to  follow up                                                               
with the specific statute citation.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:19:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  SPOHNHOLZ  concluded  by  noting that  the  committee  had                                                               
worked hard to present a diversity  of opinions on how to fix the                                                               
state's  fiscal  situation, as  well  as  the challenges  of  not                                                               
fixing it.  She remarked on the upcoming schedule.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:20:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Special  Committee on  Ways and  Means meeting  was adjourned  at                                                               
1:20 p.m.                                                                                                                       

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
APDC House Ways Means Committee Presentation 4.27.21.pdf HW&M 4/27/2021 11:30:00 AM
RDC Fiscal Plan Letter 4.26.21.pdf HW&M 4/27/2021 11:30:00 AM
AML Impacts of State Budget Decisions 4.27.21.pdf HW&M 4/27/2021 11:30:00 AM
APF Testimony 4.27.21.pdf HW&M 4/27/2021 11:30:00 AM